Pluto Is Not a Planet, but a Moon of Neptune

   60 years ago, at 1947, the late Mohammed Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, said in his book: The Universe and the Quran, that Pluto is not a planet but a moon of Neptune. Although the man was not an Astronomer, and even he did not graduate at any school, not even any primary school, but he was given wisdom from God –be glorified.

   I have translated this book and put at the free websit³e:  http://universeandquran.741.com 

He said:  " Astronomers, however, think that Pluto is a planet, but I say it is merely a moon of Neptune, and actually it is not a planet. "

[ The mistake of Astronomers about Pluto ]

" Question: Astronomers say that Pluto revolves around the sun opposite to the direction of the revolution of the other planets; is this true ?

   Answer:  I say that if Pluto was one of the planets, then it should be the biggest of the planets in size; because it is the farthest in distance from the sun than the rest of the planets, and it must revolve around the sun exactly like the revolution of the rest of the planets from right to left, then how could it happen that the revolution of Pluto is in the opposite direction ?

  This is an obvious mistake; for the revolution of the planets around the sun is the  result of the rotation of the sun around itself; so that it pulls the planets with it by the effect of its gravitation, then how is Pluto different from the rest of the planets ? Moreover, if the size of Pluto is equal to half that of the Earth, then it is one of the satellites which belong to the planets. If it was one of the planets, then its position would be between Mercury and Venus; because it is bigger than the first and smaller than the second, so how it can be one of the planets while it is the farthest from the sun, and moreover its size is half the size of the Earth ?

   As regards to its revolution, [Pluto] revolves around Neptune just like how does our Moon revolve around Earth. And because the rotation of Earth around its axis is quicker than the revolution of Moon around it, we see the Moon revolving from left to right, and as such is Pluto seen by astronomers, but the truth is opposite of that.

   [The translator – In summary:

1. If Pluto is a planet, it should be the largest planet, because it is the farthest from the sun. (but it is relatively small: it is bigger than Mercury and smaller than Venus.)

2. If Pluto is a planet, it should rotate in the same direction of the rotation of the sun around its axis, which is the same direction of revolution of the rest of the planets around the sun: from right to left. (but Pluto revolves in the opposite direction.)

3. Its orbit around the sun is fluctuant: i.e. one time it is nearer than Neptune to the sun, and another time it is farther than Neptune (this confirms that it  revolves around Neptune so that one time it will be nearer and another time it is farther from the sun than Neptune. See at our free website http://universeandquran.741.com  a diagram of 'the sun and its planets'. ]

Diagram No. 1

Pluto (orange) in a position nearer than Neptune (blue) to the Sun (Red)

Pluto revolves around Neptune, not around the Sun.

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  Diagram No. 2

Pluto (orange) in a position farther than Neptune (blue) to the Sun (Red)

Pluto revolves around Neptune, not around the Sun

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  Diagram No. 3

The reason that they have mistaken Pluto direction of revolving opposite to Neptune and the other planets. Here you see the orange arrow opposite the blue arrows.

The revolution of Neptune around its axis is faster than the revolution of Pluto around Neptune (just like our Moon with the Earth.)

 eanassir.

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Dear Nassir,

Pluto is not a planet? What an interesting idea? What about the orbit of Pluto, how did you discovered that Pluto is orbiting Neptune? We need observational facts, No theories will do the job, as we all can observe Pluto orbiting Sun and this is a FACT, have you heard about other Kuiper belt objects? What you say about them, do they also orbit Neptune!!!

We can not accept theories only on some one assumptions, so please be factorial, you have many fundamental mistakes, please see any basic astronomy book, you make very odd assumptions and try to create explanation.

You said:” then how is Pluto different from the rest of the planets ? Moreover, if the size of Pluto is equal to half that of the Earth, then it is one of the satellites which belong to the planets. If it was one of the planets, then its position would be between Mercury and Venus; because it is bigger than the first and smaller than the second, so how it can be one of the planets while it is the farthest from the sun, and moreover its size is half the size of the Earth ?”

We say: How did you discovered the relation of size and orbital location? This is total bluff.

Do you know that Pluto is smaller that our moon!!! By the way who told you that Pluto orbits opposite way of other planets?  Pluto like all planets orbits same direction of all planets.

Please go back to drawing table.

Regards

Hasan

Dear Astronomer Hasan Ahmad Al- Hariri

   I know they say Pluto is a dwarf planet, and moves around the Sun, not around Neptune!

   But such objects as Pluto and Neptune are very distant, and many Astronomers only postulate about their various aspects, and many of their natural features are ambiguous. When the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible said 60 years ago in his book "The Universe and the Quran" that Pluto is not a planet, but a moon of Neptune; then we cannot say this is wrong because it is opposite to some present theories; because these are only theories, and they keep up saying it is most likely and most probably so and so. See for example what they expected about the Perseids, that they awaited and anticipated for more than a year, and it turned to be nothing!

•     See what they think: "The individual masses of Pluto and Charon are difficult to determine -- they're so small and far away that even HST has difficulty" http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon

   I know that they say Pluto is a dwarf planet, and that it rotates around the Sun; but mostly this is wrong. All the findings and observations confirm and can easily be understood  if it is a moon of Neptune rather than it is itself a planet:

• Wherever Neptune goes, Pluto is with it; keeping some distance from Neptune. (like our Moon and Earth.) ; i.e. Neptune rotates around the Sun carrying its moon (: Pluto)  with it; just like our Moon going around the Sun, but of course carried by the Earth, around which it rotates.
• Pluto rotates in the opposite direction from most of the other planets.

    http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon 

•     The orbits of Neptune and Pluto intercross, but of course they do not collide (like our Moon and Earth.)

• Pluto's orbit is highly eccentric. At times it is closer to the Sun than Neptune (as it was from January 1979 thru February 11 1999). Pluto rotates in the opposite direction from most of the other planets.

    http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon

Our Moon also will sometimes be nearer to Sun  than Earth (and during the sun eclipse it hiders the direct light from reaching us on Earth)  and other times it is farther.

• Moreover, concerning its supposed to be moon: Charon; how can a planet have a moon similar to, or about, it in mass? It is more logical that they are two moons of Neptune rather than Charon being a moon of Pluto.

• Synchronous movement of Pluto: " Pluto and Charon are also unique in that not only does Charon rotate synchronously but Pluto does, too: they both keep the same face toward one another." http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon

This, most probably, seems as if both Pluto and Charon are two moons of Neptune; both rotate around Neptune: in the same way as our Moon rotates around Earth.

• " It was therefore possible to observe many transits of Pluto over Charon and vice versa." This transit of each other occurs so frequently as do they rotate around Neptune. http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon

      This confirms  the idea that both of them are some of the moons of Neptune.

• Renu Malhotra, in her book "Pluto and Charon" (University of Arizona Press, 1997) showed 3 graphs which we can interpret that Pluto is a moon of Neptune rather than being a planet:

"Pluto's Orbit  http://www.nineplanets.org/plutodyn.html

Viewgraph #1

From a bird's eye view of the ecliptic, it is clear that Pluto's orbit is more eccentric than any other planet's. Pluto's orbit appears to intersect Neptune's, and for a period of about 20 years Pluto is slightly closer to the sun than Neptune. The next viewgraph shows that the apparent intersection of orbits is an illusion.

Viewgraph #2

Here we see the z-component of each planet's position plotted against the simultaneous distance from the sun. Most planets only make small excursions in the vertical and radial directions, but Pluto executes a large, tear-shaped figure. This vertical projection shows that Pluto is far from being Neptune-crosser.

Viewgraph #3

Pluto and Neptune are in a well-known 3:2 resonance which prevents their collision or even any close approaches, regardless of their separation in the z-dimension. This figure shows the orbits of the four giant planets and Pluto in a reference frame rotating synchronously with Neptune's mean motion. The minimum Pluto-Neptune separation is 17 AU, compared to the minimum Pluto-Uranus separation of 11 AU. The libration of Pluto's orbit is due to an exchange of angular momentum with Neptune. When Pluto is "catching up" to Neptune, it gains angular momentum at Neptune's expense. Pluto moves into a higher orbit, but falls behind Neptune, since higher orbits have slower tangential velocities. Thousands of years later, as Neptune seems poised to overtake Pluto, the opposite exchange takes place. Pluto loses angular momentum, falling to a lower - but faster - heliocentric orbit."

http://www.nineplanets.org/plutodyn.html

All the above graphs and findings can easily be interpreted if  we consider Pluto as a moon of Neptune rather than itself a planet.

Therefore, the study of this subject, with an eye of a teacher, will give all of us more chances of discovering the truth, and add many new things to the science of Astronomy.

With best regards.

eanassir.

eanassir@gmail.com

Dear Nassir,

OK, I will now go down to Astronomy 101 level, and explain very simply how scientists discover facts about any planets.

1-      They discover planets with telescopes (systematic search and sky survey)

2-      They photograph it on daily or very short intervals

3-      They observe and measure (with very high precession) the changes in the position relative to star background

4-      With mathematical formulas (which God has crated and scientist discovered it only) they calculate the orbital path and distance from the sun.

5-      Same way the object motion declares if it’s been affected by any other close by objects or if it has any moons

6-      With Pluto case it was very clear to estimate it motion and orbital path as it was observed on very long period of time (since the discovery in 1930) and data is very accurate, so accurate that today any good astronomical program like Starry night or similar can project it path and predict it’s location in the sky with pinpoint accuracy, same way do the GOTO telescopes, if you aligned you scope properly (12” Telescopes) you can observe Pluto from your backyard.

Now after this basic introduction, let’s put facts together:

1-      Pluto is not moon of Neptune, as if it was then motion of Neptune and Pluto will show it clearly with telescopic observation

2-      Observing Pluto shows very clearly that it orbits the sun not Neptune

3-      These object called Trans-Neptunian, as these object orbits cross Neptune orbit.

4-      Many objects (10,000 objects till this day) have been discovered in this region (Kuiper belt) all of them orbit sun.

5-       Scientist have found bigger object in same region and called it Eris, with diameter of 2400 km, and it orbits the sun not Neptune.

Distinguishing between Scientific facts and Scientist speculations:

Scientific fact is observation and direct calculation results

Scientist speculations are rough estimation and conclusions which need observational proofs to support it so it may or may not become fact.

The example which you have mentioned about Pierced shower, it’s very difficult to any scientist to say with factorial level how it would appear, as the meteor are very small and cannot be observed with telescopes from ground or space (meteor size  pebbles to dust only).

You example is not in correct place.

Yes calculating exact mass and size of objects far away in solar system is difficult, but the variation is very small, it would not exceed 5% at extreme case, we can wait and see what results will come out of Pluto mission at 2019.

This is not correct for prediction of orbital path, as motion is very clear and has been observed for so many years, so with very high accuracy any one can predict the location of Pluto at any day of year.

You said:” Wherever Neptune goes, Pluto is with it; keeping some distance from Neptune. (Like our Moon and Earth.) ; i.e. Neptune rotates around the Sun carrying its moon (: Pluto)  with it; just like our Moon going around the Sun, but of course carried by the Earth, around which it rotates.”

We say: this is illusion not fact as if you plot the orbit of Pluto based on astrophotography only (1930 till today) you can see clearly that it is not following Neptune.

You said:” Pluto rotates in the opposite direction from most of the other planets.”

We say: My friend please note that Pluto orbital motion is in same direction of all planets, it’s axial motion is on opposite direction only, and even if it was rotating in opposite direction this is not proof that it orbits Neptune, if you have new theory on this issue please give us mathematical or observational facts.

Please see this link:  http://cseligman.com/text/planets/plutorot.htm

You have misunderstood what this link is trying to explain “Pluto's Orbit  http://www.nineplanets.org/plutodyn.html” this link is showing that Pluto and Neptune will never collide or even change each other orbit in any time as there orbits are very stable, please read it very carefully.

You said:” Therefore, the study of this subject, with an eye of a teacher, will give all of us more chances of discovering the truth, and add many new things to the science of Astronomy.”

We say: What do you mean by teacher eye? Do you have new criteria for astronomy or scientific research? , discovering truth is done by observation in astronomy not by speculations and theories.

Again I’m requesting you do not mix science with religion unless you are master in both fields and have solid backgrounds especially in fundamental physics.

Regards

Hasan Ahmad